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8/14 13:23:36.364 [1. General] Kyukon-Madoran: Anyone out there know the spawn timer?
8/14 13:24:11.358 [1. General] Intazzle-Velen: not I.
8/14 13:24:26.387 [1. General] Osafane-Turalyon: Spawn timer for?
8/14 13:24:34.850 [1. General] Intazzle-Velen: Guessing time lost proto
8/14 13:24:38.899 [1. General] Kyukon-Madoran: TLPD/Vyra
8/14 13:24:58.220 [1. General] Osafane-Turalyon: I just caught him.
8/14 13:25:24.939 [1. General] Kyukon-Madoran: That's....not something one catches...
8/14 13:25:38.107 [1. General] Osafane-Turalyon: Therein lies the troll...
8/14 13:25:53.041 [1. General] Intazzle-Velen: lol
8/14 13:26:44.152 [1. General] Kyukon-Madoran: I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you're a newbie and didn't know the name "Skoll."
8/14 13:27:17.252 [1. General] Osafane-Turalyon: We were just actually looking for that one too, there are like 20000 hunters in the area though.
8/14 13:27:21.626 [1. General] Osafane-Turalyon: RIP
8/14 13:37:28.302 [1. General] Beholder-Exodar: i think it's cute people still think there's a timer or way to predict tlpd/vyra spawns (as if there evere was in wrath)
8/14 13:38:20.297 [1. General] Beholder-Exodar: especially with crz rendering it all moot anyway
8/14 13:38:54.879 [1. General] Kyukon-Madoran: Predict? No. But it has become clear that it will not spawn for at least 4 hours after a kill. So if you are in that 4 hour window, it is safe to do other things. But for actual prediction, certainly not.
8/14 13:39:32.742 [1. General] Beholder-Exodar: still doesn't answer the crz rendering it useless.
8/14 13:39:56.811 [1. General] Beholder-Exodar: and even still, the minimum no-spawn window has been 45 minutes since cata. "safe" but not guaranteed it won't spawn for 4 hours.
8/14 13:40:01.328 [1. General] Kyukon-Madoran: As for the CRZ issue, in a populated zone, that could be a problem. But places like this are typically so empty, they are not believed to splinter off new versions where the timing may be an issue.
8/14 13:40:23.125 [1. General] Beholder-Exodar: you can get moved from one crz/instance/shard to another without changing party or anything.
8/14 13:40:53.782 [1. General] Beholder-Exodar: plus, when you are told when it was seen last, how do you know you are in the same one it was seen in? there's no instance/shard/crz id number. did you get the Ip? do you know how to check what IP you're connected to for world server?
8/14 13:41:16.999 [1. General] Kyukon-Madoran: But that is based on current zone population, is it not? Such that a low population zone will never have the need for such splits.
8/14 13:41:17.209 [1. General] Beholder-Exodar: that leaves just come out, park directly on one of the 4 spawn spots, and wait.
8/14 13:41:43.680 [1. General] Beholder-Exodar: 1) it doesn't split 2) it does merge smaller ones together frequently
8/14 13:42:50.554 [1. General] Beholder-Exodar: unless you're watching the IP address of the world server you're connected to, you have zero clue. (and the person giving the 1st hand sight information also has to give the one they were connected to) that also assumes there aren't more than
8/14 13:43:06.890 [1. General] Beholder-Exodar: 1 instance/shard/crz being hosted on the same server which thankfully is frequently not the case
8/14 13:43:59.307 [1. General] Beholder-Exodar: learned quite a lot in my years researching rares. i didn't get tlpd on 26 characters and help over 100 hands on get theirs (and a bunch of aeonaxx/camel/poseidus for people) without learning a lot :/
8/14 13:45:03.866 [1. General] Kyukon-Madoran: Damn it Beholder, I'm an entomologist, not a software engineer!
8/14 13:45:16.373 [1. General] Beholder-Exodar: that's why i try to help where i can *salute*
8/14 13:45:22.751 [1. General] Kyukon-Madoran: Seriously though, I've certainly had my reservations about the facts myself.
8/14 13:45:39.284 [1. General] Beholder-Exodar: well, that's why i published all i know on pondbrain.com/notsorare
8/14 13:45:51.093 [1. General] Beholder-Exodar: that houses what was once tlpdresource.com/aeonaxxresource.com/notsorare.com
8/14 13:46:32.293 [1. General] Kyukon-Madoran: That being said, my personal experience over these past few weeks has not had any spawns within the theorized 4 hours. Though that is assuming all proper reporting.
8/14 13:46:33.942 [1. General] Beholder-Exodar: i tried for years to crack the code but RNG is sadly involved so can't predict anything :(
8/14 13:47:09.095 [1. General] Beholder-Exodar: i had 4/4 spawns covered for literally months solid, so naturally i saw a lot of the rare occurances
8/14 13:48:15.431 [1. General] Beholder-Exodar: and if you're coming out in places you think should be good times to see it, just being out here will make it possible to see stuff so probably will, just like the people who swore it was hot to spawn between 10pm-midnight or whatever windows people think
8/14 13:48:26.858 [1. General] Beholder-Exodar: so, since they were here, they tended to see spawns, and had theories validated to them even though they were wrong
8/14 13:48:58.347 [1. General] Beholder-Exodar: same as when people would think x or y was a spawn spot (all are out of the ground as you probably know) but even though wrong, since sometimes it made it out of spawn and flew to them, they thought they were right
8/14 13:49:11.837 [1. General] Beholder-Exodar: since a lot of people don't grasp the difference between spawning and coming into view
8/14 13:49:32.273 [1. General] Kyukon-Madoran: Now THAT is a very fair critique of the process. And of the scientific process itself, in the hands of careless people.
8/14 13:50:02.849 [1. General] Beholder-Exodar: agreed, which is how and why i spent such an absurd amount of time out here trying to repeat results endlessly and test countless theories
8/14 13:50:24.066 [1. General] Beholder-Exodar: and how i had it on 26 characters (tried stuff on a lot of different servers) and helped over 100 people get theirs (because why wouldn't i while i was researching?)
8/14 13:50:56.068 [1. General] Beholder-Exodar: it was heartbreaking in cata when we learned the 6 hour minimum spawn time was gone
8/14 13:52:12.163 [1. General] Kyukon-Madoran: I actually abandoned the process back when CRZ was first initiated, viewing it to be an impossible process of several years. I've only taken it back up again recently, and have been working off the information that has been provided by fellow hunters.
8/14 13:52:38.011 [1. General] Beholder-Exodar: hopefully not wowhead, that mess of nonsense is why i got hooked to begin with. half the shit on there can't possibly be true if the other half is true
8/14 13:52:54.050 To Kyukon-Madoran: invite me to group? curious to see if you're on a spawn spot even
8/14 13:53:00.530 Kyukon-Madoran has invited you to join a group.
8/14 13:53:10.527 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: I am. I've seen Vyra come out of the ground here several times.
8/14 13:53:30.481 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: cool, looks like proper spot for ulduar spawn
8/14 13:53:34.134 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: But to the point, no, not Wowhead.
8/14 13:53:42.449 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: i realized soon as i hit m i don't have it discovered out here so i can't see clearly lol
8/14 13:54:07.061 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: I was using the community of TLPD hunters that come out looking for it. I assumed that by now, the best data has been acquired and spread about.
8/14 13:54:21.380 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: sadly people won't listen about crz/spawn times
8/14 13:54:27.398 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: However, from what you have said, myth and rumor still seem to abound.
8/14 13:54:30.128 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: they think i'm trolling, even when i explain it from multiple angles
8/14 13:54:44.881 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: people want to think they know what they're talking about so they reject anything, regardless the examples and reasoning
8/14 13:55:05.952 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: i was hard headed the first couple months i was out in wrath but i kept at it because i like answering questions i have and have no problem tearing down bullshit i believe haha
8/14 13:55:26.011 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: going to come out with shammy and scout
8/14 13:56:00.157 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: if anybody says any spawn spots are more frequent than others they're full of shit
8/14 13:56:12.672 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: Oh no, no one has claimed anything like that.
8/14 13:56:18.040 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: that's good at least
8/14 13:56:38.085 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: i put this guy here to watch for strays that make it out of spawn lol
8/14 13:56:56.436 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: late last night vyra made four loops, maybe three i cant remember, around ulduar path which was just fun to watch her come by each time
8/14 13:56:57.361 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: I used to be at the waterfall site primarily. But I've found that this is the least frequently guarded, thus giving me my best chance should it actually spawn.
8/14 13:57:30.564 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: night elf druid at frozen lake
8/14 13:58:01.828 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: nobody at waterfall atm
8/14 13:58:15.998 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: spawn at least, i don't even check non spawn spots anymore because fuck them
8/14 13:58:18.789 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: No, it will be a few more hours before they all have guards.
8/14 13:58:24.988 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: if they don't know spawn spots they're probably not paying any attention anyway
8/14 13:58:27.868 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: The spawn spots, that is.
8/14 13:58:45.415 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: once schools out? :P
8/14 13:59:18.893 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: brun is empty too neat
8/14 13:59:23.802 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: Honestly, I think it is more people with 9-5s.
8/14 13:59:46.109 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: could be, seemed a pretty fairly mixed bag all across the spectrum for people i've bumped into over the years
8/14 14:00:32.544 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: it is crap the scanners are practically useless in pre-mop areas
8/14 14:00:46.898 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: yep you're right
8/14 14:01:22.361 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: it'
8/14 14:01:23.474 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: Practically, but not completely. As long as there isn't another camper, I can safely go do other things.
8/14 14:01:39.579 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: s kind of amazing how many people camp on the ledge below you
8/14 14:01:47.771 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: what do you mean? i feel like i missed something
8/14 14:01:59.944 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: Well, the scanners still react to mouseovers.
8/14 14:02:16.629 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: that's no better than just having sound turned up loud to hear the wings
8/14 14:02:20.373 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: So if you have it pointed to the physical spawn point, it will still raise alarms once it comes out.
8/14 14:02:50.890 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: With screen flashes and drum beats, it gets one's attention much better than the wing flaps alone.
8/14 14:03:30.868 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: Or, in the specific case of the TLPD, Illidan screaming over and over how "unprepared" I am.
8/14 14:04:14.160 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: Yes, it's not nearly as good as they were in the old mob caching days. But I can at least not physically be looking at the screen for hours on end.
8/14 14:04:39.216 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: i set up keyspam measures and made two macros, one targeted a, one targeted b, a had one sound, b had another
8/14 14:04:56.366 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: and that has a zero failure rate against 98% success pre-wod and 50/50% post
8/14 14:05:11.728 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: 50/50 / 50%, pointless extra character
8/14 14:05:46.310 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: i was pretty pissed off the times i would see vyra/tlpd and not be able to get npc scan OR silver dragon to go off when it didn't show them as cached until i moused over before mop
8/14 14:05:58.849 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: no idea how or why but it happened often enough to make me figure out the macro backup
8/14 14:06:53.478 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: i set this toon up to log guild chat and i figured i could put it in storm peaks to watch where it can see all 4 routes if it lives long enough to go by me
8/14 14:07:12.084 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: so i set it up to auto-join if invited and scream to party/general when it sees something like an annoying bastard
8/14 14:08:01.579 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: for grouping, prat is awesome because you can set a chat channel up to make sounds when shit goes in it so you can make a custom channel and point macros/addons to announce to it so people can chat in party/raid and still get sound announcements from
8/14 14:08:10.641 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: party members, and live vicariously through other campers in the channel (assuming same server)
8/14 14:08:41.529 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: Yeah, the first group I was with when I started again was using that technique.
8/14 14:08:59.236 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: But it seems they all managed to find it when I was at work one day.
8/14 14:09:34.852 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: the p shooter thing from dal is nice to tag and hold without 1shotting naked
8/14 14:10:00.963 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: but people need to set up macros with stopattack in it because i hear a lot of sad stories about people still 1shotting it somehow after tagging it with the gun
8/14 14:10:08.043 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: Now that's interesting that you would say that. I've had it very much not work on a Vyra a few weeks back.
8/14 14:11:35.622 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: Such that I've decided to go the Soft Foam Sword route instead, and just let anyone else trying to get the tag to modulate their own damage.
8/14 14:11:42.557 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: it's tricky because you have to get the cast started almost instantly (especially tlpd because he's fast as fuck compared to sluggish tlpd)
8/14 14:11:57.276 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: the minimum range + maxImum range sucks
8/14 14:12:11.417 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: has to be more than 10 yards and less than 40, stupid range
8/14 14:12:26.139 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: foam sword is good but you have to melee right?
8/14 14:12:40.155 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: Which is why I stay exactly in the spawn hitbox.
8/14 14:12:49.815 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: is it instant cast?
8/14 14:13:07.972 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: No, which is why I'm glad it has large enough of a hitbox for it to function.
8/14 14:13:27.106 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: To be more specific, I macro in the gun and Counterspell, which draws it to me. Then I use the sword.
8/14 14:13:31.672 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: kind of scary, tlpd is really fast as fuck and if you're not spamming, that's just terrifying
8/14 14:13:45.995 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: counterspell with stopcombat/ i think that's the command
8/14 14:13:51.909 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: been a long while
8/14 14:13:53.942 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: But that's only if I'm alone. If there is someone else near me, I just take the greedy route and Fire Blast.
8/14 14:14:24.588 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: I'd rather let other people get hits too, but it is the classic Prisoner's Dilema situation. And I don't trust the other prisoners.
8/14 14:15:21.859 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: But, if you, with your experience, are telling me that the gun should really work, maybe I can chalk my previous failure to a quirk rather than a rule.
8/14 14:15:39.352 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: stopattack my bad
8/14 14:16:06.864 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: well it's such a small window it's possible to hit it once too early, then cast again and when the cast finishes it's out of range (ESPECIAlLY tlpd)
8/14 14:16:14.669 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: tlpd is damn near 280% speed
8/14 14:16:26.121 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: i've seen it just cruise away from people on 150% mounts, like peace out buddy
8/14 14:16:36.552 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: I have seen regarding the BB King achievement that the gun will occasionally miss the leader. Perhaps it has a less than 100% accuracy rating, which would explain the flaw.
8/14 14:16:47.057 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: that could be too
8/14 14:17:01.512 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: but counterspell will do the job 100% of the time as long as you /stopattack after the macro
8/14 14:17:09.209 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: after the line, fuck my baby is killing my brain today
8/14 14:17:49.923 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: i used to have a macro section on the website but they took so fucking many spells away from everybody in legion, i just gave up trying to keep up on perpetual alpha mode WoW spells hahahaha
8/14 14:18:40.497 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: Can't blame you for that.
8/14 14:19:09.745 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: i think there's still a list of commands and shit you can add to macros that help but so many people are like 'omg i don't get it'
8/14 14:19:21.660 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: *shoves head up own ass and goes skydiving without parachute*
8/14 14:20:19.681 %s has earned the achievement Deceiver's Fall!
8/14 14:20:32.567 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: i do wish there was a way to make it report where the target coords are. i know they will never though bec-auuse arenas
8/14 14:21:50.604 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: Sorry, I don't follow. Where advantage would that provide? For the TLPD, not arenas.
8/14 14:22:02.271 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: Wow. What. What advantage.
8/14 14:22:41.067 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: right now, for example, for this toon, being in visible range of 4 paths, this toon targets something, reports to party, party sees cords, then next time it reports it shows new coords, can see what direction it's going and where it's at so you know what
8/14 14:22:51.838 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: route it's on and can intercept accordingly assuming you make it
8/14 14:23:19.632 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: also if someone on waterfall or frozen lake targets it and reports, you can see if it's their spawn or passing on whichever route
8/14 14:23:32.592 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: Oh I see. The notion that it will ever make it past the spawn point these days is something that I have a hard time accepting. Thus, coordinates would not be of any use.
8/14 14:23:44.263 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: ideally, i agree
8/14 14:24:46.485 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: but i'm sure you've camped with people not paying attention where shit gets out of spawn plenty of times by now right?
8/14 14:25:32.263 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: Honestly, I'm usually out here by myself. When I'm in a group, it's a full group, so any spawns die instantly.
8/14 14:25:59.139 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: Or at least, that's how they are reported. If it did manage to get into its route, I really wouldn't know.
8/14 14:26:44.518 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: yeah, assuming people are honest or even notice, or if anyone reports a corpse/kill out on route, or any of that
8/14 14:27:18.189 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: that's why i took no chances and multiboxed and all 4 24/7 with a bunch of safeguards (some technically against rules but since i never auto-kill blizz never fucked with me)
8/14 14:28:00.010 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: But if time is totally unpredictable thanks to the changes that have occured, does it even matter? Once one dies, the safety window sounds like it may be virtually non-existant.
8/14 14:28:16.509 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: nope, i try to tell people to just hit a spawn spot and not worry about previous spawns
8/14 14:28:48.791 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: binge a bunch of shows and fuck the police
8/14 14:29:23.483 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: indulge in a hobby, play games in another window, pass that time because chances are there will be a fuckload of it
8/14 14:31:10.555 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: By that same token, however, I shouldn't feel like there is any clear advantage to sticking around here in lieu of doing something else. If there are no windows to speak of, than any given second is the same as any second prior to it.
8/14 14:31:40.398 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: usually, that's right
8/14 14:31:40.709 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: It's simply a function of accumulated time and the law of large numbers.
8/14 14:31:58.568 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: yep. sacrificing things to the RNG gods
8/14 14:32:10.656 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: rain dances, spawn windows, pray, whatever superstition you want
8/14 14:32:18.627 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: just be out here :P
8/14 14:32:57.283 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: plus in wrath when there was a rare cap at least a buddy could run around kiling rares to make sure shit could even spawn, that demonstratively lowered spawn times on average but that's even gone
8/14 14:33:05.177 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: all comforts are gone ;'(
8/14 14:33:15.360 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: Oh so that actually was true in the past?
8/14 14:33:38.615 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: yep yep
8/14 14:33:51.218 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: That struck me as reeking of speculation and rumor.
8/14 14:33:56.185 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: Go figure.
8/14 14:34:29.211 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: was pretty cool, i got a big group on a52 together and we locked down zones for about a 30 hour window? i think? i know i was DEAD by the end of it, was over 24 hours. but overnight when nobody was around we were able to keep the rares we found alive
8/14 14:35:00.128 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: for 2-3 hours, then kill one, find another, keep that alive and others for another hour or so, some rando came and killed a couple, we found and watched others, and nothing was spawning until one of the 3 were killed
8/14 14:35:09.493 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: 2 or 3, i can't remember, it was a low number
8/14 14:35:54.262 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: but then we started killing them for the last 10 hours or so soon as we found them and they were popping all over the place quickly, and into the night at the tail end we stopped and held the ones we found for about an hour and none other sspawned, always
8/14 14:36:03.286 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: having 11 people or more involved helping out
8/14 14:36:52.401 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: i thought about frapsing the whole thing and making a documentary but i was too focused on keeping people interested and making it happen
8/14 14:37:08.739 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: last thing i needed was to babysit hard drive space
8/14 14:37:31.480 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: shit that was a lot of text, sorry
8/14 14:37:54.288 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: No no, it's fine. I just didn't have anything clever to say in response.
8/14 14:38:10.521 Lichthensten-Whisperwind performs Herb Gathering on Icethorn.
8/14 14:38:29.343 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: i was lucky i had helped 20 people on that server get their TLPDs so i called in a lot of favors that weekend
8/14 14:40:10.203 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: it was funny, we were responsible for 22? of the 23? tlpds that were downed in a 3? month span, maybe one more we didn't catch because we had to take a break for a couple days because we were getting delusional
8/14 14:40:18.248 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: as time passes i forget the numbers for that first year
8/14 14:40:25.625 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: strange
8/14 14:40:56.996 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: i'm sure i mentioned it somewhere in that billion words on that website lol
8/14 14:41:43.172 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: funny thing is i went to a52 to keep a low profile and pug raids, got lost in trying to figure out storm peaks and when i came back to town it felt like 6 months later and spent time in town i realized everybody knew my name for both good and bad reasons
8/14 14:42:04.131 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: one hand people talking about me helping, or on the other people accusing me of stealing all the TLPDs and forcing people to pay to get tlpd (i never did that at all)
8/14 14:42:21.682 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: so that low profile idea was fucked up
8/14 14:42:34.114 %s has earned the achievement Hills Like White Elekk!
8/14 14:43:04.403 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: turns out people notice when you help people lock down the most wanted rare mount during an expansion :P NOWAI
8/14 14:43:37.801 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: Looks like I've got a druid. Back to including Fire Blast in my macro.
8/14 14:44:22.423 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: Is this your friend request?
8/14 14:49:11.787 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: no
8/14 14:49:22.823 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: druid trying to get around pointless horde/alliance language barrier?
8/14 14:49:53.657 [P] Kyukon-Madoran: Could be. I occasionally get random friend requests. Guess I'll accept it and try to figure it out.
8/14 14:50:23.260 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: i send them too, but i always accept right away assuming it's alliance doing that
8/14 14:50:29.936 |[P] Beholder-Exodar: so much easier than logging over to ally to talk

 

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